You know, ive always thought combat would be alot more fun without instas. I mean, most people have got instas for all the hot spots nowadays, it just makes combat pretty boring, as things slide back and forth and you might catch the odd person out, and unless someones bored and feels like engaging outnumbered, nothing ever happens.
So if we took instas out of our battles, it would make things more fun, more chances to catch people, big fleets wouldnt neccesairly swing back and forth all the time etc etc
Please note, this is just an idea i though of 2 seconds ago. literally.
Dunno, I've been running missions in the maller for a while now and don't always have an insta or an afterburner fitted and I'm going crazy.
Probably worse for the battleships.
I'm of course mostly an interceptor speed freak but still. Moving the fleet 10 jumps in 10 minutes is far more fun and exciting than moving it 10 jumps in 30 minutes.
I personally am anti instas, as khal said it takes the fun out of the fight theres nothing worse than carefully locking a system down to capture a lone ship and have him insta straight past us.
meh maybe I'm the only one
You propose that when we fight that Bookmarks not be used?
Interesting....the Aeternus Crusade is open to further negotiations on this point.
Only problem I see is makeing it practical.
I actually agree on your points, but the problem i have is makeing it work without causing "he cheated" type complaints from one side or another.
Especially considering that PIE would still have to use instas for fighting Snigg at least (mainly because thats the only chance we have of not being counted down to the last ship type by alt spies.) So what happens when some of your guys get in the way of a PIE fleet fighting Snigg and sees us useing instas and thinks its against them or something like that?
It just seems to me that that would be, to put it bluntly, almost impossible to pull off without haveing issues about fairness ect.
Oh and do we really think we could get all of your people to abide by it? Im not confident on the CVA being able to myself, and you have many more diverse members with the UK.
If not instas then warp to frigs. They basically do the same thing. Just makes camping a lot easier. A covert ops frig used as a warp to point would be perfect and you wouldnt even know what happened, and be screaming bloody murder.
Its not viable, perhaps in a event(?) it would work. (20 frigs in a deadend pocket hunting the hell out of each other.) But in fleet engagements, nope.
BMs give a big fleet a chance to suprise the enemy, with a Golden fleet spending 2minutes approaching each gate on their way to Pator the chance of suprise raid/strike would be impossible.
Since Aeternus is only about 35 members strong, we are open to having such arrangements with some of the smaller corps in the 'Khan, whom we will probably fight exclusively (barring our assisting the big ass fleets once and a while).
Aye, i agree with the points about it being hard to implement, anyway, i havent mentioned this to our guys yet. It would be quite quite hard.
But perhaps we could try?
You know, ive always thought it would be fun too, to pick a region ang say go fight in their for a day. And stay within the boundaries, use no instas, and kick the crap out of each other.
it will only take the first person to use an insta for there to be cries of cheating, its too hard to enforce and people think about their own survival rather than your fun blowing them up.
I mean imagine if someone instas through a gate, whatya going to do? Convo them and demand they return for a sound ganking?
Well, it was merely an idea to increase the level of fun, which has been rather missing from the game as of late.
Just wait till ccp take out bookmarks
4/5th's of eve would quit
dont get me wrong - I would love for ccp to do something about it and its is highly irritating for anyone to watch an entire enemy fleet insta past you. The only way you can really inforce a no insta policy is during the arranged events really.
aye basically insta's just p**s over the fact ships have different speeds when travelling via gates what would take a retreating bs 30mins to return home now takes 5-7mins. The only chance to catch someone is on the other side of a gate with an inty.
Yep its gotten to that point by now, pretty sad actually :?
But using hours to get from place A to place B is just stupid if you can do it faster.
I agree, on combat situations It could be a nice thing to consider.
A RoE that forbids using BMs in the combat 'area' ('Minnies are jamming our navigational computers, the BM's are offline.')
But it would also make almost impossible for the PIE fleet to respond to any kind of threat to the Empire, be it pirate or terrorist.
Its over 10 jumps from misaba to Amarr, almost same amount to Pator. I doubt anyone in PIE would take part in fleet ops if they would take 6 hours instead of the regular two.
Basically this would turn into a elite frig / frig fight which really is beneath Aarrians and their Golden fleet. Im not saying that we wouln't kick your asses anyway but many people feel that they are done with the frig crap and wanna fly BIG SHIPS.
The current bumpage thingie wreaks havoc in our ranks, scattering our fleet at every gate. If it would get any worse than this then big fleet ops would be out of the question...
While I'm all for removal of insta-jump gate BM's for a gameplay benefit, it would completely drive me mad. Travelling in Eve is a pain, BM's make it tolerable. But they sure do screw up gameplay, especially in Empire where you can't set up mobile warp disruptors.
Not sure really what I'd like to see done. :?
Aye, it would be nice to have a 'combat op' switch.
But i understand, it would be totally nuts to try to implement just by 'keeping our word'. As while we may indeed do that, somethings bound to happen to spark off hassle, war is hell, as they say.
Yeah Lallara, but the only trouble with that is. We travel up to your space in a large fleet. You all hide. You travel up to our space in a large fleet, we all hide. The only kills we ever get is the lone stragglers and if someone actually decides to engage someone outnumbered and outclassed (in ship terms)
So while we may all like running around in big ships being the daddy, it doesnt usually result in any fun.
The best fun i've had in recent memory is when AMAX started their weeks of raids into our systems with small ad-hoc fleets, and we'd engage them. It was weeks of running battles, and it was the best fun ive had for ages.
So while BS's may look good, and provide a certain amount of security. Small fleet engagements, at least in my limited experience, are alot more fun to do. Of course, you open yourselves up to more losses, but hell, its a game. We play to enjoy.
But, i know how much you lot love your golden dildo's
When u thing about this, why dont we return more or less to our first Rules of engagements?
Like no podding. Let your enemy to take his loot back....
I see 'Skirmisher" fleets as becoming more important in the coming war.
Return loot is a bad thing mmkay, i'd rather say i got it than have my opponent think i stole it when some can thief took it (which 90% of the time it is)
How would the pilot of the 200mil ship feel if there was a return loot policy and we turned around and said oh a can thief got it.
If your not willing to lose it don't fly with it
edit: no podding is good... but what if they do pod and with the new implant prices? whats gonna be done as reperations? I wouldn't care if it was accidently or not i'd still want reperations for my loses. I'd rather pod/be podded knowing my pod is a target rather then be podding know i'm not mean't to be a target.... plus some people just don't believe in no-podding