OOC to all involved in the Minnie vs Amarr conflict
Allright as have been pointed out before , fortune change, win some loose some ,i dont mind loosing at all if it was a good battle.
Ashab was rather good ok we lost some ships... so did you , we lost more but we where also outnumbered again that is ok, i had my chance to order a withdraval , i didnt as i havent been in a good fight for ages.......i like fighting its my fav thing besides yelling at my pilots.
To Hakera , ooc talks before a battle is just fine by me and after some thinking a fixed battles to some degree..... we could for example find a empty sys , this would accomplish 2 things we would get less lagg (major prob in my opinion), and we would get rid of pesky looters.
We could do it like this etc. it is common knowledge that we like to gather a fleet on sundays........we could have a ooc chat 1 hour before agreeing on number of battleships........then the rest would be in cruisers and frigs , frigs and cruisers doesent have as much impact as 15 bs vs 20, hell we can even carry some slaves for u to free getting more roleplay into this.
Whadda ya all say , i think this could be a good solution , it does not have to be every time we clash, i am all for suprice raids and it is not nescesary for the small ones.
Also what id REALLY REALLY like is a bit of the good old days , the last few months have turned ugly and ooc relations have been plummeting downwards to the point, that even i am getting ooc pissed of with some of you, i dont like that one bit.
To you new corps that have joined the fight against or with us , once there was only PIE and Oracle and there was alot of respect between us things where almost to friendly and we would chat and salute each others after battles , i think all veterans remember this , and long for this.
So this goes to ALL parties involved PIE/CVA/AMAX - MM/FOM can we rethink this war after all we are here to have fun , for me to have fun also includes the one i am shooting having fun .... what id like is a BIG group hug ... completely OOC ofc lets start having fun again insted of letting this deterioate into pointing fingers and accusing each others of cowardice and bad tactics.
Also some of us have been toying with roleplay scenarios ,Maggot has some exellent ones planned , Horatio and i had something good going on but stopped for some reason.
This is a roleplaying conflict the ONLY one in EVE , lets get the roleplay back , big fleet battles are fun , but this conflict is different i am sure that most of EVE log into intergalactic and are entertained to see what PIE and the minnies are upto, lets give them something to talk about.
( this will prolly bring PIE 10 more declarations of war )
I agree Golan. I joined PIE four months ago when I returned to EVE because I wanted to RP enviornment. I had enough of the "100 ship battle royals" from my days in Venal before leaving for four months.
I'd like to see more roleplaying in the game. To be honest I'm wondering why in the hell 27 corps have declared war on us. I guess I wish for the old Oracle-PIE days as well. I wasn't in PIE then but I read about the battles.
Now everyone and their uncle is jumping on the bandwagon. To be honest the 1-member corp wars are pathetic. Seeing totally non-RP corps dive in and declare war on us with a sudden "anti-piracy" stance is pathetic and only succeeds in looking like they're just hungry for some PvP. My advice..... go to 0.0 space and have fun with the other PvP'ers. This is RP PvP there is a difference.
After seeing yesterday's aggressive podding stance where pilots don't even have a chance to escape cause you have an interceptor waiting to scramble the pod. I'm not sure I'd trust anyone in these fights anymore. Yes I was there and I watched 2 of the poddings, and don't accuse me of being there in an alt if you can't figure out how I was there then thats not my fault.
Russo really pissed me off yesterday when he called us 'fags' for apparently using spy alt's cause we didn't immediately jump in and attack. Ever think we were checking the surrounding systems for your backup? Next outburst like that and I'll be petitioning for abuse.
I personally don't pod, I'll target a pod to give you the hint to get out and fire a couple of shots if your not moving (shot as in not with a Torpedo), and i certainly won't scramble a pod. A bit too many people are getting corpse hungry.
It'd be nice to get a decent fight for a change, where both sides respect each other. But that doesn't happen with AMAX around they just breed arrogance, would you tolerate an arrogant person in rl? I wouldn't and I don't tolerate it in game either.
If we tried to get back to the old days of PIE vs Oracle(MM) you'd find people would whine how come we arn't involved with the rp fights and such. Also people would whine if they wern't allowed in the big battle on sunday cause the numbers are full...
so where do we go?
Where do we go?
I agree with what you say Horation, which is why I don't think we need to go anywhere to be honest. There's no reason we can't just carry on as we are, only with less whining and moaning and a bit more respect for those involved.
I'm not having a go at anyone, I know how galling it is when you lose a ship when there's nothing you can do about it because of lag or whatever. But everyone should remember that it's the same for everyone.
It is just a game at the end of the day and a game's no fun when one of the players has a tantrum and takes his ball home, if you see what I mean.
I am not saying that peeps shouldent be allowed in big fights the suggestion was to agree on number of battleships , the rest can come in frigs and cruisers, i am afraid if we dont find some agreement then this will turn into a "no fight" war because everyone will try only to enage on favouarble terms, you lads have been very succesfull at this hiding when we have come enmasse , so can we be, and i think neither side is interested in that(its total crap organizing a fleet flying 10 jumps well knowing that the enemy will hide 99% of the time and u will only gank lone stargglers, belive me thats how it has been fighting u lads total boredom.
Regarding podding well , i pod .... but i have a 17 secs locking time so it doesnet amount to much, podding is a part of the game and a inty being there well, we use intys for tackling and ofc. there will be a inty waiting when the ship dies, if he goes for the pod then i wont complain we once had a no podding rule , you (MaMa) choose not to have roe with PIE , live with it also it is inpractical with a roe when not all have it so i am fine with that and i am more than willing to put my capsule on the line.
Regarding trust well, then we need it back both sides have pulled tricks on each others , lets put it behind us, and get on with this conflict.
Insults and bad behavior, well trust me when i say it is being dealt with.
Horatio we had some good talks regarding rp events lets get back at it...
Sorry but game mechanics 10 Apocs would thrash 10 Tempests, hell 10 Geddons would thrash 10 Tempests! Typhoon would suffer just as badly. I tried doing an armour tank with just about as many relays and rechargers as I could the test... 3 minutes of tanking before I was dry. There's no way Minmatar ships are a match for Amarr ships.
Hence we use different setups... Minmatar ships are designed for small scale battles but certainly not fleet battles. Of course when we use other race ships we get attack for not rp'ing our ships enough.
And you've had it before lasers used to be really crap, you know what it's like.
This is an observation not an accusation...
It seems like our recent shift in power in terms of numbers has generated alot of frustration among CVA pilots. Previously they read the stories of PIE being uber and overcoming every opponent decided to join PIE cause it's a safe bet at PvP with minimal losses... now were striking back just as hard there not happy cause there no longer "winning alot of the time. In fact for once it's a fairly even fight between the CVA and Minmatar side.
Yes losing feels bad, and winning feels good... if your losing alot go off do something else for a while to clear your head. For your info I won't be around for a while as I'm gonna do some hunting of rats just to get away from the conflict for a while.
QUOTEIt'd be nice to get a decent fight for a change, where both sides respect each other. But that doesn't happen with AMAX around they just breed arrogance, would you tolerate an arrogant person in rl? I wouldn't and I don't tolerate it in game either.
So exactly how many memebers of AMAX have you actually talked with then?
3 but your ceo really sucks, and tarnishes the rep of the rest of your corp to the point I'm not exactely interested in talking to anyone associated with him. Arrogant on my part but it's him that made it this way.
I would tolerate a arrogant person in real life if the benefitted me in some way..but then again im not a very good person
I can't stand the constant moaning about numbers, and being outnumbered and whatever else. If you can muster 20 ships, and the enemy 30, well so be it. Then we should find a way to escape, or scout very well to find a tactical possibility too take on that fleet anyhow.
It's in our amarrian pride that makes us getting large fleets of those shiny gold ships together. Minnies are better in the guerilla strike forces and thats the way it is. With the current strenght of minmatar BS and projectiles, it rather easy to understand they won't meet us head on with same or less numbers. That's the diffrence between the races that makes the whole RP expirience even more exciting.
If we would give the minnies maybe a little more credit for there efforts the last month, we lost some battles, simple as that. We fought, and didn't win. CVA/AMAX was used to winning but we get some stings now so stop bitching about it on the forums and in local we might make the conflict a lot more interesting for everyone.
About the podding horatio mentionned: I fly inty's quite a lot so i contributed a lot in scrambling ships/pods since my days in PIE. I wouldn't mind a no-podding rule at all. Since when you have defeated your opponent's ship, you can have his pod too if you have a frig nearby, there's no skill involved. I might consider to stop podding too, like horatio does. There's more honour in being able to give grace to you're enemy than total carnage.
This are my 2 cents, in bad english
I agree with you Kinji. You're dead right and it's perhaps about time everyone took note of this and then just got on with things. The only thing that this constant tit for tat, moaning achieves is the damaged reputation of everyone involved.
So FFS, can everyone just leave it and just get on with playing the game?
PS - I don't pod people either - it's just a choice I've made irrespective of ROE. If I get podded, then I just accept it - that's life!
PPS - You're English is spot on btw.
I will podkill any enemy I catch flying an Amarr vessel, thats an RP thing and non-negotiable
Providing its he who ends up in an egg, and not my own superior self , ofc
i never actually pod anyone activelly. Although since AmAx are all to keen to go for the pod we like to return the favour. Its more for watching the last of the battle as well, as I feel soemtimes that there is such a dramatic build up in tensions etc that if your first in and targeted you often go down very quickly (in under a minute) that perhaps a blanket RoE would help people. I am not saying linger round like spies, but once the fleets have met, the pods under RoE can stay and watch how it ends.
Its just my opinion basically, that people pod each other to inflict maximum damage. But I refer back to my point about sustainable conflict and that as many point out, this is not 0.0 war, also above to the speed and ease with which even the best ships fall under concentrated fire.
I would call for blanket RoE and thus no podding rule myself between all, but there are few who would support such an idea.
I would always welcome OOC discussion of likely fleet sizes for both preceeding any build up however, i do not control or have knowledge of many of the other corps, for eg. MM really do their own thing so on many nights I would not have a clue what they are up to.
However, jumping more frequently in smaller ships should lead to more sustainable conflict.
ps. dont bother with assualt ships - they are crap ---> Clicky
QUOTE3 but your ceo really sucks, and tarnishes the rep of the rest of your corp to the point I'm not exactely interested in talking to anyone associated with him. Arrogant on my part but it's him that made it this way.
Well you really have no high horse from which to speak then do you?
QUOTE"Its just my opinion basically, that people pod each other to inflict maximum damage. But I refer back to my point about sustainable conflict and that as many point out, this is not 0.0 war, also above to the speed and ease with which even the best ships fall under concentrated fire. "
Hakera is exactly right regarding a "sustainable conflict". The entire purpose of the PIE/CVA - Terrorist war revolves around the conflict and the Eve storyline. Having one side or another "wipe out" the other isn't condusive to this.
I personally am not worried about recent defeats as we've also had recent victories. It all balances out. There has been a change in gameplay which has frustrated some though I agree (imo).
Part of the "problem" on our end (again imo) is we amass a big fleet, go hunting and no one is around. Clearly we're in the majority 2-1 3-1 4-1 and we have no opposition. Then as we've seen later on they'll be a Minnie fleet arrive and we do face it even though we're outnumbered.
Horatio is right the Amarrian BS right now are very powerful. Still the PERCEPTION is there that "we're facing you and your not". That perception is damaging.
Organized battles might bring some relief to this perception. Agree on a fair number of BS. One issue we have is the Amarrians have no decent EW ships whereas your willing to use Blackbirds and Scorpions. We're effectively cut out of a percentage of the Eve PvP experience because of that. So you can negate a BS advantage with decent EW.
One thing I've noticed is "forum rage" (like road rage). Recently the forum posts have become very hostile. I understand there have been some instances in local during battle where people are calling names. I won't go into those although I don't agree with that type of action. The GALNET forum also seems "hostile"
I'd suggest a couple things.
Have all posts regarding battles be in "storyline" format.
All responses must be IC and in storyline format. Stuff like:
"Archbishop read the report of the great Ashab battle. He cringed upon seeing 4 battleships lost to 2 for the terrorists. Yet he was filled with pride knowing that despite long odds the CVA fleet engaged.".
This is alot better then
"You had a 2 to 1 advantage and we still fought you yet you always run away". isn't it?
- If theres an issue regarding a problem lets solve it here or somewhere OTHER then the Galnet forum. I know if I was a non-combatant reading this stuff I'd be thinking "God what a bunch of WHINERS!!!!". Let's air our dirty laundry here in this forum or somewhere else. Maybe start a "OOC BATTLE COMMENTS" forum here on the PIE board to discuss things?
I'd much rather work things out and stay friends with a sustainable fight then degenerate into 0.0 style smak-talk and blastfests. Just my opinion.
I'm not arrogant to my enemies if they've proven themselves to be friendly when not fighting, but russo on the other hand ouzes such a bad attitude that almost all the freedom fighters can't be arsed to converse with him. Several have gone as far to just block him completely. He certainly lacks the charisma of Hardin, he doesn't make the game fun for anyone even your own corp members have had to apologize to me for him! What does that say?
The summit posts where one of your members usually goes "save a war slot of us" is met with a good laugh in our channels. He's your CEO and what he says reflects on his entire corporation i.e. you! more than what your other members say.
He's arrogant to me so I'm just as arrogant back. He even had a convo with me with the main subject of when you gonna declare on AMAX we deserve to be declared on... well you got declared on and look what happened.
I hope your not trying to make a point with your last sentence, or do you actually take pride in grinding a small corp under your many amassed boots?
Yes, many have broken the 'summit code' recently on both sides and gone into OOC bickering about alts/ganking/podding and so on.
Such comments have no place on the summit and most of you should know that.
Regarding EW and Amarr ships - thats meant to be your weakness. However gimped your setups might be I hear Radar +4 backup arrays do wonders for not being jammed. Also you could surpise people and load a few of your four slot cruisers with ew and combine it on targets.
You also have your own EW strength in the form of Amax who cover the ground you cannot in battle. (Aside from when the sentinel is released for you)
Re the AmAx thing, i suggest Russo is banned from using the following words in communications "fag", "badass" and completely plays IC on the summit and local unless OOC comments are made in local.
Other than that, I think AmAx should be careful, they have tread on thin ground within the realm on roleplay in recent times. I think most of the forum hate is pointed at Russo's unique style which perhaps he should work on and exercise some control in local.
Many 0.0 war habits are slipping in recently as many have seen. Lets work together on making sure we keep everything as it should be, a fun game.
QUOTEAlso you could surpise people and load a few of your four slot cruisers with ew and combine it on targets.That would be the Cruiser Class Bestower and Cruiser Class Apocalypse