Fighting without purpose?
Well Frosty's Phoon was a part of our force, and it was just bad luck that he ran into you. A sole ship doesn't stand much of a chance in those circumstances.
As for those logging back on when we were trying to get back in at Tash-Murkon we were getting the pop-up box saying this server-node is offline when trying to enter space which is a problem we've had before and was down the entire night last time, so many of us just gave up logging in for the night...
Only highlight was watching your problems just before Tash went down... You were all logging on and off my right hand side just kept scrolling with Green/Red images
Question is where you gonna go to face CA? certainly not GW or CA space their never there! You'd have to search CFS/PA/FA?Every other bit of space except CA to find em.
QUOTEQuestion is where you gonna go to face CA? certainly not GW or CA space their never there! You'd have to search CFS/PA/FA?Every other bit of space except CA to find em.
Catch and southern Curse More than enough targets there!
Yes, I'd have to agree that last night was a prime opportunity for the mice to play whilst the cat was away. Only to be spoiled by current state of the servers.
Tbh due to the server, most of us (I would have thought) would rather not lose multi million isk ships or millions in implants due to being ganked whilst lagged out. From pilot reports Amarr regions seem allot worse than Minmatar ones, probably why you're coming to us more lately.
I've never lost a ship to the CVA in this way, but atm I'm loathed to engage in combat until the servers are sorted.
Another reason that you don't see me very often in Amarr anymore is that a BS a cruiser and a couple of interceptors would probably meet my single frigate. If I brought my BS, lord only knows what you'd bring out.
I think some of us have lost sight of the fact that games are meant to be played for fun; no one likes to waste their time or have their time wasted.
QUOTEWe caught Frosty's Typhoon early on and Maggot later fought a battle with 3 of our pilots and lost his Megathron. Despite the two BS and one cruiser kill it was still a fairly uneventful evening for most...
We may need to invade CA for a challenge
Oh and spot the irony in that statement :roll:
With your attitude to combat bordering on that of blob wars, maybe you should. However, if you were to think about fighting the CA, I can assure you you'd soon be seeing the other side of the coin.
[the above are all my personal views and not that of my corp]
Sorry... the invade the CA was just a joke fellas :twisted:
I know it was a joke, but do you not spot the irony in what you said?
3 ships to take out 1 ship, 3 BS's vs's 1 I've no doubt. How many fired upon Frosty to take him out?
If you want a challange why not create one? You're certainly not helping yourselves.
As a matter of fact it was a new megathron pilot, a blackbird and a frigate... There were other allied ships in the area but they were requested to stay out of it!
I admire Maggot for taking them on. He is one of the few who regularly puts his ship on the line...
QUOTEAs a matter of fact it was a new megathron pilot, a blackbird and a frigate... There were other allied ships in the area but they were requested to stay out of it!
I admire Maggot for taking them on. He is one of the few who regularly puts his ship on the line...
Of course, it was me piloting the Inquisitor frigate, which makes it pretty unfair
No ECM either....
Maggot got brass balls, but not disco balls
Respect where it is due though, you got a great fella on your side there.
Hakera - I hope you are not getting tired of the war
'tis true, as the universal law does not really support our ways, our motivation has to come "from within". The "mission" is clear and set, and the technical obstacles we have to live with.
/me searches his hangars to find the minmatar from Kulars' ship but in vain and thinks 'Need to meet that one more often then'
Tis true, you don't help yourselves find fights I've personally had the interceptors, cruiser, and BS response to my lone interceptor. I have fun trying to avoid you but were not exactely gonna engage the above who are all kitted out in PvP in a lone interceptor but will take out targets of opportunity. Especially when we go one on one against another interceptor and can expect the rest of the task force to arrive within moments.
We take out targets of opportunity, which is exactely what you do as well.
And its so true that Amarr space REALLY sucks atm! I'm loathed to try fight in this lag.
It's alot easier for you to gather a fleet than it is for us do you realise how many channels we have to dip in and out of, well you prolly do and thats our weakness trying to get organised when everyone is scattered among small corps isn't easy.
yeah Im bored, but its more bored of the whole game atm. The pvp & rp is my last bastion of hope and that is fading. I will prob head to 0.0 for a break and find some dumb npc's to shoot at and make some isk for once rather than lose it. Shiva is for 0.0 alliances and it would be a shame to be left out of that.
Hopefully the WoW beta will keep me going till the PoTBS beta and I can play Eve only for the fun now.
Hakera, it would be a shame to lose you as an enemy.
I know that Shiva is quite a ways off, but I think you should give it a chance when it gets here. Castor changed a lot of things for the better, and with all the stuff promised with Shiva, it's gonna be like a whole new game.
I can understand (and even somewhat relate to) your disillusionment, but give it time. And maybe just take a break. Sometimes that alone helps.
man, these thinly veiled "you dont fight unless you vastly outnumber your enemy" comments from you Hakera are totally out of order. PIE engage loads of times when hopelessly outnumbered.
not 2 weeks ago myself and 4 other pilots warped into a gate where we knew 10-12 enemies would be and we came out on top.
This has happened several times since ive been back in the game.
Feel free to rubbish us mate, but at least be factual.
No where have I infered you only fight when you outnumber us, you have mis-interpreted what i said. What I did say was that I did not like us (as in me and my comrades) being called cowards when we run from your fleets. I made no such statement that Pie only fight in numbers. Please stop twisting my words
C'mon boys, play nice.
OOCly we got enough in common to be ingame allies, if we were not RPing that is
As I'm really busy at work at the moment with lots of fast approaching deadlines, now is a less that ideal time to write something on this particular EVE related issue. No doubt my boss will be speaking to me about this shortly!!!
The problems we encounter in EVE with regard to PVP is a result of the game mechanics in my opinion. Combat is quite simplistic and winning a battle often depends on numbers and co-ordination. This is why whenever battles occur they, more often than not, turn into cagey affairs and result in 'blob wars'.
Very few people are going to make a ridiculous sacrifice when they are clearly outmatched. To expect them to do so is silly. Had the game required more 'twitch-gaming' skills where the outcome of a battle depended on how good you were with a joystick, things would be different - but that's a moot point.
So what we get is one side on the advance, whilst the other, less organised and less numerous side, retreats or looks for small victories elsewhere. It's understandable therefore how people can become frustrated. Battles rarely occur against evenly matched sides and when they do, lag generally finishes everyone off.
I am increasingly starting to believe that the only opportunity for any war to continue to engage people in a way that is fun, it to have more organised events of our own making.
Clearly those fighting as part of huge alliances in 0.0 space would see this as laughable, but OOC I'm involved in these wars for fun, not to crush all opposition at any cost and achieve some meaningless victory at their expense. This is why I've never podded anyone and probably never will unless its some smack talking idiot!
None of us involved in the slavery issue and these Empire wars can win and no-one involved in it should think that they can. We would be better served by considering how best we can continue to get some fun out of what is a great but fundamentally flawed game, whilst not taking the inevitable in-character ribbing personally.
I am all for more mutal events.
some good points. Im frustrated at having to spend all night chasing people to get one single kill. And its not our enemies fault, but if there ARENT enough minmatar willing to fight, you have to question the point in this RP war at all.
I know that our enemies can crow all night if they want about having a dual MWD flitting about in amarr catching those little morsels now and again when a pilot isnt paying attention, but I trained as a BS pilot, and I dont want to start retro training frigate/mwd skills just to have a frigate/cruiser to fight eveyr now and then.
So what do we do now? I guess from an RP sense Pie have won the war? no solid resistance, no minmatar willing to fight?
As has been said before, mostly I like our minnie foes, can we shape RP to actually work together towards a "common foe"?
its frustrating logging in and having little to do apart from Agent missions.
the problem in part is your numbers. For eg, when you trooped up to pator the other day, I think I recall there being 20+ CVA ships, mostly battleships. How on earth do you expect anyone to voluntarilly face that unless they have near to similar numbers?
Sure you had iirc 3 ceptors scouting prob with webs and scramblers and if you managed to be in the right place for frosty but understand the only order given in those cirumstances was "stand down!" and the closest you get to us is being in the same system.
You make good use of traps where you leave only a few in like last night, but we suspected as much wondering where the other 12 usual suspects were, sadly while most of us were equipped to run when it gets too hot, maggot was short range and unable to get clear. Combine that with the necessity for us to type intel or orders while keeping our ships alive and you understand the delay in the retreat order and our weakness.
Beating amarr battleships is nigh impossible atm unless you outnumber them by a lot. You cant deal enough damage unless ocncentrated to beat twin armour repairers. I practice on entropy a lot and nowadays a raven with torp spread cannot kill an apoc unless we use cap drainers. arnour vs shield tanking is unbalanced atm. Combat in eve is about blobs, the bigger one wins and you for th emost part are the bigger blob.
kudos anyway - im probably taking a break of freedom fighting (not actually much freedoming been done unles you count that agent mission) in order to get some cash and find something fun to do other than sitting at a spot
Fair play for being able to assemble your forces so quickly last night(rather jealous tbh ), but for 2 BS's (tier 1) I saw the gank squad mentality again.
Of course in this situation I'm heading to a safe spot and once again everyone is wasting everybody elses time and no one is particularly having any fun.
hakera i pay respect to all of you who come to amarr everyday for the chance of a clean fight. specially to maggot who lost 2 bs in 24 hours.
but may i make sme suggestions here!?
nevermind i'll simply do
use ventrilo or teamspeak to coordinate, why are your forces often spread to like 5 systems? they would make a pretty nice fleet equaling ours most of the time when we don't haven a fleet ops going.
i really like you guys ooc and enjoy plaing with you a lot and therefor maybe some of you would like to visit the "ooc" channel ingame now and again?